About this episode
<p>Zuck on:</p><p>* Llama 4, benchmark gaming</p><p>* Intelligence explosion, business models for AGI</p><p>* DeepSeek/China, export controls, & Trump</p><p>* Orion glasses, AI relationships, and preventing reward-hacking from our tech.</p><p>Watch on <a target="_blank" href="https://youtu.be/rYXeQbTuVl0">Youtube</a>; listen on <a target="_blank" href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/dwarkesh-podcast/id1516093381?i=1000705423020">Apple Podcasts</a> and <a target="_blank" href="https://open.spotify.com/episode/7Brv4vg9P8a8CNvAN5UsMv?si=82d7b6d069bf4ede">Spotify</a>.</p><p>----------</p><p>SPONSORS</p><p>* <a target="_blank" href="https://scale.com/dwarkesh">Scale</a> is building the infrastructure for safer, smarter AI. Scale’s Data Foundry gives major AI labs access to high-quality data to fuel post-training, while their public leaderboards help assess model capabilities. They also just released Scale Evaluation, a new tool that diagnoses model limitations. If you’re an AI researcher or engineer, learn how Scale can help you push the frontier at <a target="_blank" href="https://scale.com/dwarkesh">scale.com/dwarkesh</a>.</p><p>* <a target="_blank" href="https://workos.com/radar">WorkOS Radar</a> protects your product against bots, fraud, and abuse. Radar uses 80+ signals to identify and block common threats and harmful behavior. Join companies like Cursor, Perplexity, and OpenAI that have eliminated costly free-tier abuse by visiting <a target="_blank" href="https://workos.com/radar">workos.com/radar</a>.</p><p>* <a target="_blank" href="https://lambda.ai/dwarkesh">Lambda</a> is THE cloud for AI developers, with over 50,000 NVIDIA GPUs ready to go for startups, enterprises, and hyperscalers. By focusing exclusively on AI, Lambda provides cost-effective compute supported by true experts, including a serverless API serving top open-source models like Llama 4 or DeepSeek V3-0324 without rate limits, and available for a free trial at <a target="_blank" href="https://lambda.ai/dwarkesh">lambda.ai/dwarkesh</a>.</p><p>To sponsor a future episode, visit <a target="_blank" href="https://www.dwarkesh.com/p/advertise">dwarkesh.com/p/advertise</a>.</p><p>----------</p><p>TIMESTAMPS</p><p>(00:00:00) – How Llama 4 compares to other models</p><p>(00:11:34) – Intelligence explosion</p><p>(00:26:36) – AI friends, therapists & girlfriends</p><p>(00:35:10) – DeepSeek & China</p><p>(00:39:49) – Open source AI</p><p>(00:54:15) – Monetizing AGI</p><p>(00:58:32) – The role of a CEO</p><p>(01:02:04) – Is big tech aligning with Trump?</p><p>(01:07:10) – 100x productivity</p> <br/><br/>Get full access to Dwarkesh Podcast at <a href="https://www.dwarkesh.com/subscribe?utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=CTA_4">www.dwarkesh.com/subscribe</a>